packing heat?

[pierre shags]

Somebody mentioned he was "packing heat" in his car. Is this common where you are?

You might want to answer but still maintain anonymity - I don't know if you can do that.

[cartagena]

Fully automatic UZI.

I have a permit.

Where I live is very peaceful and friendly. But you never know.....there might be some ahole who thinks he can kidnap my gringo ass. If he tries it will be "ratta, tap tap, bang bang bang"......but this is very unlikely. It is more common to be kidnapped by an 18 year old girl.

[noone986s]

In the UK there are no guns allowed. This doesn't seem to apply to the criminals but that's a different subject.

We have to make to with the creative application of writing implements, sports equipment or automotive tools in the car ;-)

[threpwood]

Long katana as seen in 'last samurai' :troll:

[FrayAdjacent]

In the UK there are no guns allowed. This doesn't seem to apply to the criminals but that's a different subject.

We have to make to with the creative application of writing implements, sports equipment or automotive tools in the car ;-)


From what I understand, if one of you stand up blokes hurts a poor little criminal trying to ply his trade against you, you would get charged with assault!

I live in Texas, where it's finally been cleared up - we can drive with a loaded handgun in the vehicle without fear of being prosecuted. (as long as we're not otherwise engaged in a crime) I also got my CHL application pack, so probably next weekend or the next, I'm going to go take the class and get all the materials I need (passport photos, fingerprints and all the paperwork notarized) and then get myself legal so I can carry.

Here in Texas, we believe that if you smoke a low life criminal, you deserve a pat on the back!

Today when I drive out to Boxstoberfest, I'll have a snubnose .38 in the center console. Just in case, you know? ;)

[der Geist]

I just got pulled over in Texas. I thought it was pretty funny the way the sherriff had ammo all over the interior of the car. I have never seen anything like that before. He turned out to be really cool and in fact reminded me a whole lot of ohioboxster. He let me off with a written warning for speeding. He seemed to be a whole lot more interested in my car. Funniest part was that the brand spanking new radar detector I bought especially for this trip was still in the box and on the floor in the passenger area. Oh well....

[Jeph]

I just got pulled over in Texas. I thought it was pretty funny the way the sherriff had ammo all over the interior of the car. I have never seen anything like that before.

Pulled over for speeding and you're spending time INSIDE his car?

[SC986]

It is more common to be kidnapped by an 18 year old girl.
I might be ok with that...just saying :D

[OldBlevins]

I don't know if it's common - but I believe even without a license it's legal in Washington state if the gun is not loaded and isn't in the passenger cabin. I have a friend who has a permit and she carries her loaded .45 in the front seat of her truck.

[AUDIOGUY]

Not in NJ unless you have a Permit to Carry and this is almost impossible to get unless you are law enforcement. I do, however, feel extra ballzy when I am going to the range and have 5 or 6 guns in the car.... not a good day to cut me off!

[Grizzly]

In the DC area, everybody has a gun...and I mean everybody. Hell, the Nuns will bust a cap in your ass here.

[der Geist]

Yeah. He did the "have you ever been arrested before" routine and then had me sit in his car until whatever warrant search he was running came back. He half jokingly said he wanted to make sure I hadn't murdered anyone.

Pulled over for speeding and you're spending time INSIDE his car?

[tombea]

In Georgia you can carry a gun in the cockpit as long as it is in open sight or in the glove compartment. I love to ride at twilight and at night and a few years ago car-jackings became the rage in the Atlanta area. I carry my pistol in the passenger seat and nave for the last six or seven years.

Tom

[cartagena]

Here we have spot checks with about 15 guys dressed as in the photo below. They normally just want to look at the car and ask for a coca-cola since it is hot standing around all day. I would not want to have a gun sitting on my dash board though! :)

[kls]

To preface my opinion - I am a hunter and I have many guns and love them. But there will never be a loaded gun in my house or my car. The odds of someone stealing it and using it on someone else is far greater than stopping a crime. Then, if some driver pisses you off, and you decide to show him your gun - you're the one that gets arrested. I am not speaking hypothetically, I am in the legal field and I see many examples of guns creating problems, and almost no examples of them preventing anything..

[Paul]

Here in WI one cannot obtain a concealed carry permit unless you are in law enforcement. Having moved here from PA, it was quite a shock.

However, it is perfectly legal to carry as many guns as you like anywhere in your car as long as they are unloaded and in a case.

So a handgun in a case under the seat and ammo in the armrest compartment is fine.

I prefer a 12 gauge in the trunk however....

From the WI gun law site FAQ:

Handguns

Permit to purchase handgun? No.

Registration of handguns? No.

Licensing of owners of handguns? No.

Permit to carry handguns? N/A

Its the same with fireworks.

Fireworks cannot be bought unless you are a fireworks dealer.

You can go to any fireworks store and in minutes fill out a short form to become a fireworks dealer....for FREE.

Fireworks cannot be used unless you have a "display permit". Of course this one is much harder to get!

[Brucelee]

I am going to move this thread to the Lounge.

Thanks

:)

[Cris]

This is old news, but I hear that's practiced in Africa. Gives a literal meaning to flame someone.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/3e/Blaster-flamethrower.jpg

[thenavarro]

Here are my two traveling companions. I'm also in Texas. This rides behind the passenger seat where I can access it quickly even while driving if need be:

http://i29.tinypic.com/2lm82gk.jpg

and this rides in the rear trunk in case the SHTF.

http://i26.tinypic.com/2h4bade.jpg

Mike

[bmx672]

I love Texas :)

I have a dozen family members there... Dallas, & San Antonio...

The people there are my speed thats for sure!

[D.L.]

I carry everyday, everywhere I go. I consider it like insurance. You hope to never have to use it, but when you have to you're glad it's there. It's up to you to be a sheep or be a wolf.

[blueillusion97]

Texas sounds much more like a free state....Here in California laws are horrible specialy if you are landlord law is never on your side

[richv]

Didn't realize there was such a connection between Boxster owners and guns.

[cvhs18472]

Sig Sauer P280 9MM with clip loaded with 1'st 4 Hydor-shok, next 4 hollow points and last 3 are Ball rounds. Say what yoy may about Pa, but people in my neck of the woods understand. Ed

[Rick V]

Well lets see, I carry a Rugar KP90 in .45acp This thing is a tank, and who couldn't love having a big hole puncher for protection. My father reloads so I get some "good rounds" I carry 185 grain, double deep half jacketed hollow points with 5 graines of Bullseye powder. These are fun.
My wife has taken it a little too far. When she drives the Mercedes (tripple balck car) she has to carry the S&W Sigma 9mm, since it is all black. When she drives the Boxster (silver over black) she packs her stainless .380 with the black grips. Gotta be color corordinated.

[jwilson95]

VA has the "plain sight" rule also and a carry permit available if you take a class. You can go pretty much go anywhere with the permit except government buildings and anywhere that serves alcohol.

My wife had a carry permit when I met her (avid target shooters in her family) so I got one also to be on "level" status.

We both let them expire and we only keep our guns for home defense far away and unavailable to our 3 year old.

Sig Sauer Pro 2340 .40 S&W
Taurus .357 5 shot revolver snub-nosed and ported for mama

Navarro- WOW! Glad you're on OUR side!

[kabel]

Didn't realize there was such a connection between Boxster owners and guns.
My observation thus far is there is a strong contingency of active online forum goers that are not only porsche enthusiasts but also aviators, marks men and watch fanatics. The wife and I have talked about delving into firearms as another hobby.

[richv]

I can see guns as a hobby for target shooting or even sport hunting. I don't know why I would need one for protection just driving around. Maybe its the area and neighborhood that I am fortunate to live in.

[Sammy]

Call me stupid but why do you feel the need to carry a gun with you?

I'm of the opinion that if you are in a dangerous situation you get the heck out of there. At that point I think my driving skills (I think I may use this as an excuse for driving events and modifications :D )are more important than trying to defend myself from a sitting duck position (unless you plan to get out of the car?).

Disclaimer: I am a gun owner but for sport (sporting clays, target shooting, and the once in a while hunting). IMHO if my soon-to-be-wife wants to keep a gun handy if I am out of town than its her decision but for the time being the guns are locked up and the ammo is in the garage.

:cheers:

[thenavarro]

Call me stupid but why do you feel the need to carry a gun with you?

Watch until the end. Great stuff!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lh_gL7Az53o

[thenavarro]

Call me stupid but why do you feel the need to carry a gun with you?

I'm of the opinion that if you are in a dangerous situation you get the heck out of there. At that point I think my driving skills (I think I may use this as an excuse for driving events and modifications :D )are more important than trying to defend myself from a sitting duck position (unless you plan to get out of the car?).

Disclaimer: I am a gun owner but for sport (sporting clays, target shooting, and the once in a while hunting). IMHO if my soon-to-be-wife wants to keep a gun handy if I am out of town than its her decision but for the time being the guns are locked up and the ammo is in the garage.

:cheers:

I carry the gun in my vehicle because I carry on my person when I'm not in the car. Because of my occupation, County Auditor, I have a lot of anti-government types that basically just don't like me. Some of these individuals are of less than a stable mindset. They post blog entries about "abducting and executing" government types. I carry to provide additional protection for myself and my family. Everyone of us could potentially end up in a situation like the mass mall killings a few months ago, the Virginia Tech campus killings, the Luby's cafeteria mass killings, or the St. Louis City Council killings, and I hope that if I find myself in that situation, that I have the time to draw my gun and defend myself.

There are a lot of situations that might present themselves that you do not have the opportunity to "get the heck out of there".

I don't carry as a form of offense or intimidation, its strictly for self defense. Law enforcement can protect to a reasonable degree, but they are not always there when you need them.

I personally don't hunt. I don't see the need for it unless you have to have the food to survive, and I also don't see the "sport" in "capping" an animal that doesn't have the opportunity to "cap" you back.

Take care,

Mike

[Brucelee]

Well said. Certainly, the police cannot be counted on to protect us. I think the Washington DC gun control experience certainly has shown that to be quite clear.

I do not own a gun, but I would if I thought my situation warranted it. Sadly, in CA, it quite a hassle for me to have one. Not so much of a hassle for criminals I would think.

[Sammy]

I carry the gun in my vehicle because I carry on my person when I'm not in the car. Because of my occupation, County Auditor, I have a lot of anti-government types that basically just don't like me. Some of these individuals are of less than a stable mindset. They post blog entries about "abducting and executing" government types. I carry to provide additional protection for myself and my family. Everyone of us could potentially end up in a situation like the mass mall killings a few months ago, the Virginia Tech campus killings, the Luby's cafeteria mass killings, or the St. Louis City Council killings, and I hope that if I find myself in that situation, that I have the time to draw my gun and defend myself.

There are a lot of situations that might present themselves that you do not have the opportunity to "get the heck out of there".

I don't carry as a form of offense or intimidation, its strictly for self defense. Law enforcement can protect to a reasonable degree, but they are not always there when you need them.

I personally don't hunt. I don't see the need for it unless you have to have the food to survive, and I also don't see the "sport" in "capping" an animal that doesn't have the opportunity to "cap" you back.

Take care,

Mike

Fair enough... :cheers:

[AUDIOGUY]

Hey Navarro,

What Cal. is that Storm... I love those. I want to get one myself. I have
shot the 9mm and .40 cal. I would purely use it for fun at the range...
I am thinking 9mm is more cost effective. My buddy claims .40 is the only
way to go... any thoughts. Nice piece!!

[thenavarro]

AudioGuy,

My storm is a 9mm. I actually have it for sale right now, go to this thread to see it:
http://www.berettaforum.net/vb/showthread.php?t=33751

It's on hold until tomorrow night for a fellow Beretta board member, but if that falls through, it will be available. I'm going to use the funds to pick up a PX4 SubCompact 9mm which Beretta will be releasing in a couple of weeks.

To answer your questions, I believe the 9mm is funner for a range weapon than a .40. It has less of a kick, and the ammo is typically cheaper. I run basic Winchester white box through it for target work, and for self defense, I use Ranger Talon +p+ hollow points. Additionally, the 9mm can accomodate higher magazine capacity then the .40, which means more shooting, more rounds to hit a target or enemy, and less swapping out mags. I also chose the 9mm because the mags are interchangeable with my 92 FS.

The only real advantage to the .40 as I see it, is that the .40s can be found right now cheaper than the 9mm, because of the supply/demand issue. The demand for the 9mm is more then the .40, so they cost more right now on the secondary market.

Good luck on finding one (and check mine out if you are seriously interested), they are a lot of fun.

Mike

[NickCats]

Mike,

I guess that's why they say :

http://www.cryptomundo.com/wp-content/uploads/dont_mess_with_texas1.jpg

My wife is from Abilene. First time I went down there to meet her folks, I noticed that her dad has a loaded gun in each room. I would hate to be the poor schmuck that breaks into that house !

Nick

[Sloan]

Florida requires a permit for concealed carry - and the permits are quite popular. As for why one would carry (aside from my occupation, and the fact I've carried for 19 years now), one need only check the headlines to see the latest shooting and/or rampage that perhaps could have been stopped by one armed would-be victim.

Depending on where I'm going / what I'm wearing, it could be a Colt Pocketlight .380 semi-auto, or my preferred Glock 19. Always on my person - never left in the vehicle - as was metioned before, guns are too big a target for theft, and I would hate to think that one of my weapons had fallen in to the hands of a criminal. I have a vault at home for those I am not carrying, and my long-guns.

Just like American Express, I don't leave home without it!

[60drvr]

Remember, the reason our borders have NEVER been invaded is because of the beautiful right to bear arms!!! The world knows there is a gun in at least every other house in America! The cowards of 911 were just that! As a police officer, I encourage concealed carry and dont go anywhere without my weapon. I respect citizens who get their concealed carry. And by the way, I am not a traffic Nazi! I respect those who respect me!!

[Bob O]

I've recently been considering obtaining a concealed carry permit. Among other occupations of mine, I am a landlord with quite a few rental units in less than desirable parts of town. (Well, I wouldn't live there, but less expensive housing has to be provided by someone doesn't it??) Every month I collect rent from a few of the tenants who either won't or can't get a checking account. So they pay me in cash and I end up carrying around a few grand cash or more through a part of town know for its drug houses and pimps. You think the druggies up the street know I'm there to collect rent...you bet they do. (Hey now.. no comments on the landlord biz... someone has to own these houses and the tenants certainly can't afford it. And the improvements I do to them gives everyone in the area a boost in their property values. And I screen closely my tenants and talk to the neighbors so they'll call me if there's any issues...but that's another story) Anyway... my neighbor and I have been talking about it. He is an ret military guy, used to be a police firearms trainer for the kc police dept, and, at one time, was a world class trap shooter. We're going to the range tomorrow to try out his new Kahr .40 cal. I still haven't decided yet about the concealed carry permit, so I'm just thinking out loud here actually.

I'm torn about it and can come up with compelling arguments on both sides. I HAVE had a gun pulled on me..once. An evicted tenant came back as I was throwing out all the crap they left behind looking for some trinket the considered important. He started ranting and raving about this 'gold box" or whatever while she was tearing up all the trash bags in the lawn. I was getting pissed because of the mess she was making and told her to quit. He reached behind him in his pants and pulled out a pistol and started waving it around. He was a raving lunatic. While he was doing this I pulled out the cell phone and dialed 911, which pissed him off (oh well) I guess he realized the situation he was in and left. BUT....the frickin cops took TWENTY MINUTES to get there!!!!! Moral of the story...I was one lucky SOB, and, if i had been carrying, ONE of would probably have gotten shot. So... like I said.. I can make an argument on both sides of the question.

BTW.. I do have experience with firearms. I used to hunt quite a bit - deer, quail mostly but gave it up for a lot of reasons - and have been to numerous (countless!!) firearm safety classes through the years. My debate with myself is the pros and cons of carrying and the potential result, both to me and someone else.

Sorry to go on so long, but its an issue I've been debating for a while and just thought i'd throw in my less than $.02!

Bob

How come some of these threads extend beyond the margins of the screen?? OH... resize your pictures!!!!!!!!!!!

[LoveBunny]

I knew a guy that had a Boxster and had a Glock 23 mounted underneath the steering wheel.

I like shooting my dad's guns, but I don't personally own one. I'm a little nervous about the responsibility of having one.

[pierre shags]

I'm guessing that carrying a gun stimulates thoughts of using it, violent fantasies. At a minimum, a frequent awareness of it would give a sense of danger. I would count this as a great cost to my peace of mind. But then I live in a safe place.
So in ah hour of driving, how many times do you packers think of your gun(s)?

[Rick V]

I'm guessing that carrying a gun stimulates thoughts of using it, violent fantasies. At a minimum, a frequent awareness of it would give a sense of danger. I would count this as a great cost to my peace of mind. But then I live in a safe place.
So in ah hour of driving, how many times do you packers think of your gun(s)?
Well for me it has just the opposite effect. I have a tendancy to think through things through much faster because of my gun. There is no way out of any gun related actions, and you
must make sure any actions are the correct ones. It is funny, I had a drunk idiot, walk up to my car at an intersection, ready to try and rip me out of my car......................until he saw my .45 sitting on my lap. Gotta picture his attitude change...............................fast.
I also used to work as an armed guard, so for me carrying a gun is like wearing a watch, just part of my attire.

[Sloan]

In response to pierre shags, I will agree with Rick V that I think the opposite is true. I am so accustomed to carrying, I essentially never think about having it, except to make sure I am tactically ready to have it available in any given situation. In 19 years of carrying, I have never had to display a weapon, and I hope that continues.

I go to the range a few times a month to keep up my proficiency, and thought the earlier comment about driving to the range was amusing - it is a funny feeling having so many guns and tons of ammo - I can only imagine what that traffic stop would be like

[gmboxster]

I didnt know so many boxster owners were gun toten cowboys. I've come to the conclusion that Americans mentality concerning guns will not change. Unfortunately.

Having said that our society and judical system is so screwed up I'm seriously considering ( it's just a matter of time really ) getting my concealed carry permit. People have become animals. Throw in all the people trying to get money for drugs and you have a volatile mix. :confused:

[LoveBunny]

We have so much crime all around that I've thought about getting a gun, but the reality is where and when would I carry it? I mean, when I am putting my dog in the car to go to my parents' house, where would the gun be? I'm probably most vulnerable loading and unloading things in my car in my driveway, but I doubt I'll be wearing a gun in a holster everywhere I go. Not long ago I was held up at gunpoint walking from a bar to a friend's house. I sure wouldn't have had a gun with me there either. And the kid who held us up appeared to have a cap gun. I literally almost started laughing.

[Brucelee]

I didnt know so many boxster owners were gun toten cowboys. I've come to the conclusion that Americans mentality concerning guns will not change. Unfortunately.

Having said that our society and judical system is so screwed up I'm seriously considering ( it's just a matter of time really ) getting my concealed carry permit. People have become animals. Throw in all the people trying to get money for drugs and you have a volatile mix. :confused:


Well, your conclusions about the humanity are not borne out by statistics. As I understand it from the book, "Freakenomics", the death rate atributable to violent crime has declined steadily from the dawn of when they have kept records.

The drop has been dramatic with localized exceptions.

Example below:

Murder rates vary greatly among countries and societies around the world. In the Western world, murder rates in most countries have declined significantly during the 20th century and are now between 1-4 cases per 100,000 people per year. Murder rates in Japan, Ireland and Iceland are among the lowest in the world, around 0.5; the rate of the United States is among the highest of developed countries, around 5.5 in 2004,[13] with rates in larger cities sometimes over 40 per 100,000.[14]


The rates for past centuries have been much much higher.

Having said all that, i am glad the US still has some right to carry a gun. I don't but like the idea that I can.

:D

[gmboxster]

Statistics can be misleading. People are emotional and go by 'FEEL' alot. I lived in Japan for 12 years and Japan has VERY strict gun laws. I never, ever, felt unsafe in Japan. I walked around in dark alleys in Tokyo at 3:00am and never felt in danger. You definitely CANNOT say that in the USA. So for those people who say if we eliminate guns in the US only criminals will have guns, this is not true. I understand to rid the USA of all it's guns is COMPLETELY unrealistic. However stricter gun laws would be welcomed. Anybody in this country can obtain a gun. Criminals, mental patients, you name it. I have NOT problem at all with people owning guns for home protection but at the same time I miss the secure feeling we all felt in Japan.

Just my .02 cents so be kind. lol

[Brucelee]

Statistics can be misleading. People are emotional and go by 'FEEL' alot. I lived in Japan for 12 years and Japan has VERY strict gun laws. I never, ever, felt unsafe in Japan. I walked around in dark alleys in Tokyo at 3:00am and never felt in danger. You definitely CANNOT say that in the USA. So for those people who say if we eliminate guns in the US only criminals will have guns, this is not true. I understand to rid the USA of all it's guns is COMPLETELY unrealistic. However stricter gun laws would be welcomed. Anybody in this country can obtain a gun. Criminals, mental patients, you name it. I have NOT problem at all with people owning guns for home protection but at the same time I miss the secure feeling we all felt in Japan.

Just my .02 cents so be kind. lol


As always, the devil is in the details. The issue of "stricter guns laws" is very vague indeed. Some will take that to mean that only police can have guns.

Others might feel that anyone without a felony conviction can have one.

Interesting, no?

I do think it is naive to assume that criminals will not get guns. Irrespective of any gun laws in the US, these turds always have access. So, any restriction of say, my right to have a handgun in my car, puts the turds in the driver's seat, so to speak.

:)

[Brucelee]

As Alanis said, "Isn't it ironic?"

DC HAD the strictest handgun law in the nation.



Nation's Capital Declares Crime Emergency

Jul 12 11:26 AM US/Eastern
By BRETT ZONGKER
Associated Press Writer Write a Comment


WASHINGTON (AP) - Two groups of tourists were robbed at gunpoint on the National Mall, just hours after the police chief declared a crime emergency in the city in response to a string of violence that included the killing of a British activist.
The activist, Alan Senitt, was attacked in the Georgetown area on Sunday, his throat was slit and police say the attackers attempted to rape his companion. It was the 13th homicide in the city this month. Robberies are up 14 percent, and armed assaults have jumped 18 percent in the past 30 days.

On Wednesday, U.S. Park Police were looking for connections between the latest Mall robberies and three similar incidents in the area in late May. There have been no arrests in any of those cases.

On Tuesday night, two women from Texas were robbed at gunpoint by two men dressed in all black, said U.S. Park Police Sgt. Scott Fear. About 15 minutes later, a family of four from Missouri was robbed by suspects with the same description, he said.

Though no one was injured, Fear said there were similarities to three violent attacks on the National Mall in May. In one case, a 17-year- old woman was sexually assaulted.

"We try to prevent this from happening," Fear said. "We're going to reallocate our resources. We're going to see what improvements we can make."

District of Columbia Police Chief Charles Ramsey declared a crime emergency in the city after Senitt, a volunteer for the potential presidential campaign of former Virginia Gov. Mark R. Warner, was killed.

The crime emergency declaration allows commanders more flexibility to adjust officers' schedules and reassign them to high-crime areas.

The tourist-friendly National Mall, which is under the jurisdiction of Park Police rather than D.C. police, is usually considered safe. But the recent crimes against tourists have raised calls for a larger police presence.

Police are asking Mall visitors to "be our eyes and ears," Fear said. "We're going to ask them to be vigilant."

[maestro]

Well, I never lived in Japan, but I had a japanese exchange student when I was a teenager. He would laugh at some things he would see, and almost cry at others. The way he explained it was what we are willing to do. In Japan, it is unthinkable to take something that isn't yours. If someone does try to take something from you, just let them have it, because any other action is seeking a confrontation. Seeking a confrontation is unthinkable because it is disgraceful.

It's because of japanese society that you felt safe. The japanese soldiers I spoke to in Iraq were upset about being deployed, not because they were away from their families or anything like that, but because they considered it actively seeking confrontation, and they are a defensive force.

I carry everyday, everywhere. I live in Arizona, and there are very few gun restrictions here, a whole lot fewer than Texas. People here still walk around with guns on their hips. It's normal. I have a CCW, but that's just for when I visit my family in Texas so I'm legal. I have several guns in my house and thousands of rounds of ammunition.

I also don't hunt, don't see the point. I have no problems with hunters, quite the opposite, I love dear jerkey, and I'll help you clean your animal. Just don't like pulling the trigger unless it's necessary. Don't try to take away my guns rights, because the 2nd is the reason the other 9 have any weight whatsoever.

sorry for the drag on post

[Brucelee]

."Don't try to take away my guns rights, because the 2nd is the reason the other 9 have any weight whatsoever"

Good one. I like that logic.

:)

[FTD]

I have enjoyed skeet shooting a few times, but nto so thrilled with target practice. If I had a hand gun, however, I would carry it. I wonder if everyone had a gun if the nut cases wouldn't feel very powerful anymore.

I like the recent Georgia legislation. There certainly are some weak points for discussion, but generally I like it.

ATLANTA — Permitted gun owners in Georgia will soon be allowed to carry concealed weapons in restaurants that serve alcohol, aboard public transportation and in parks under a new law observers called a significant expansion of gun rights.
Experts said the bill signed by Gov. Sonny Perdue on Wednesday could signal a resurgence of pro-gun legislation that had been dormant since last year’s Virginia Tech shootings. The National Rifle Association said in a statement that the law ‘‘represents the most comprehensive pro-gun reform measure to be enacted in nearly 20 years.’’

[maestro]

There is legislation in Arizona right now to allow permit holders to carry on all Arizona college campuses.

[Brucelee]

In CA, the courts are fine about gay marriages but no carrying allowed here pardner.

:D

[maestro]

I've never understood the logic in CA. A state with such a huge amount of violent crime per capita and a ridiculous percentage of that committed with firearms, most illegally obtained. All that yet a majority of people there think it's a good idea to disarm the general population. Forget all that.

It would take a Mack truck to pull me away from AZ, or for people to actually start listening to the imports from CA. These people actually left CA for a reason, but now all they seem to want to do is turn AZ into CA. Um, why'd you leave in the first place?

okay, done ranting for now

[Brucelee]

I've never understood the logic in CA. A state with such a huge amount of violent crime per capita and a ridiculous percentage of that committed with firearms, most illegally obtained. All that yet a majority of people there think it's a good idea to disarm the general population. Forget all that.

It would take a Mack truck to pull me away from AZ, or for people to actually start listening to the imports from CA. These people actually left CA for a reason, but now all they seem to want to do is turn AZ into CA. Um, why'd you leave in the first place?

okay, done ranting for now


It is something in the air, I am convinced. The weather is nice, lots of sun, the beach is right here. Then, folks start to think that this is the real world.

It isn't.

I will be moving on soon also. Yes, the weather is incredible, but the politicians are just plain insane.


Their going to be 20 Billion short this year and they are debating how to spend more money. Just borrow, right?

:barf:

[maestro]

move to az, just not phoenix

[Brucelee]

I'm not crazy about Phoenix. I was to Tempe once, to the U. Nice campus.

I will be looking for a teaching job next year, maybe there?

:D

[maestro]

Try tucson, not as crowded, not as hot, not as cold. It is always hotter in the summer and colder in the winter in the valley. Tucson's pretty nice. I've been here a few years, and I love it. One thing you'll notice is people in the Phoenix area tell you Tucson sucks, and people in Tucson tell you Phoenix sucks, but I actually visited both places before deciding where to move to, and Tucson was it.

[Brucelee]

Try tucson, not as crowded, not as hot, not as cold. It is always hotter in the summer and colder in the winter in the valley. Tucson's pretty nice. I've been here a few years, and I love it. One thing you'll notice is people in the Phoenix area tell you Tucson sucks, and people in Tucson tell you Phoenix sucks, but I actually visited both places before deciding where to move to, and Tucson was it.

Thanks. I live Tucson too! :D

[ekam]

Now that someone had brought this up... does anybody know if a 18" 870 will fit on the frunk in the 986?