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Brucelee
08-11-2008, 16:00
Cigarette Tax Burnout
August 11, 2008; Page A14
Politicians in Annapolis are scratching their heads wondering what happened to all those chain smokers who were supposed to help balance Maryland's budget. Last year the legislature doubled the cigarette tax to $2 a pack to pay for expanded health-care coverage. Eight months later, cigarette sales have plunged 25% and the state is in fiscal distress again.

A few pols are pretending to be happy that 30 million fewer cigarette packs have been bought in the state so far this year. As House Majority Leader Kumar Barve put it, fewer people smoking is "a good thing." Yes, except that Maryland may be losing retail sales more than smokers. Residents of Maryland's Washington suburbs can shop in nearby Virginia, where the tax is only 30 cents a pack, and save at least $15 per carton.

The Maryland pols are so afraid this is true that they've made it a crime for residents to carry two packs of cigarettes that weren't purchased in the state. In other words, the state says it's legal to smoke, so long as you use cigarettes that the government can tax and thus become a financial partner in your bad habit. But if you dare to buy smokes across state lines, you can be fined.

Maryland is only the latest state to prove the folly of trying to finance government with a tax on a shrinking pool of smokers. In New York City and State, tobacco taxes have been raised so many times that the retail cost can exceed $9 a pack -- about double the national average. Few budget-savvy smokers in the Big Apple pay that tax. Patrick Fleenor, an expert on tobacco taxes at the Tax Foundation, estimates that there is "now a 75% gap between cigarette sales in the city and cigarette consumption." In other words, three out of four cigarettes are bought elsewhere or are contraband. Out-of-state purchases, tax-free Internet sales and a cigarette black market are booming.

In New Jersey, about 40% of the Marlboros and Virginia Slims that are lit up escape the $2.57-a-pack tax. In Washington State, evasion was so rampant that the legislature decided in 2005 to lower the 75% tax on cigars and other tobacco products as a way to raise revenue and help state retailers.

Members of Congress, please take note. Democrats are planning one more pre-election go at a $35 billion children's health program expansion (S-chip) funded by a 61-cent per pack tobacco tax increase. They justify the new levy as a "sin tax." OK, but if Americans don't start sinning a whole lot more, states and Uncle Sam are going to go broke.

70Sixter
08-12-2008, 18:20
Remember the big tax on luxury yachts? Rich people were sposed to balance the budget. Right.

Rich people do not need new boats, they can just keep the year old version and maybe re-fit her.

Pretty much wiped out the yacht builders her in NC. Chris Craft and others. Industry still not back to what it was and I guess a lot or artisans left for other industries.

And the moral of this story? Governments "think?."

insite
08-12-2008, 18:53
brilliant economist thomas sowell calls this 'stage one thinking.' it's the phenomenon that plagues a lot of leftist ideas like rent control or anti-price gouging laws.

example:

problem: things are too expensive

stage one solution:
OOH! we can make a law that says it MUST be cheaper! we are so smart!

to properly analyze the economic impact of any policy change, thinking beyond stage one is PARAMOUNT because people change their behavior and affect the outcome. one would hope this to be common sense.......

Brucelee
08-12-2008, 20:21
brilliant economist thomas sowell calls this 'stage one thinking.' it's the phenomenon that plagues a lot of leftist ideas like rent control or anti-price gouging laws.

example:

problem: things are too expensive

stage one solution:
OOH! we can make a law that says it MUST be cheaper! we are so smart!

to properly analyze the economic impact of any policy change, thinking beyond stage one is PARAMOUNT because people change their behavior and affect the outcome. one would hope this to be common sense.......

Tom Sowell is my man. brilliant and insightful.

insite
08-12-2008, 22:39
Tom Sowell is my man. brilliant and insightful.

agreed; i've read a lot of his books. very sharp guy with a knack for explaining complicated subjects in a simple manner. a true expert in MANY subject areas.

70Sixter
08-14-2008, 22:25
Thomas Sowell is brilliant. Have several books of his and loved him as stand-in for Rush Limbaugh.

Quickurt
08-15-2008, 00:40
Thomas Sowell is brilliant. Have several books of his and loved him as stand-in for Rush Limbaugh.
Why can't we have him, Walter Williams or Herman Caine as the first black president?
Actually, a better question would be; when are we going to have a president with a brain?

insite
08-15-2008, 00:52
Actually, a better question would be; when are we going to have a president with a brain?

no one with a brain will take the job.

Brucelee
08-15-2008, 18:41
Why can't we have him, Walter Williams or Herman Caine as the first black president?
Actually, a better question would be; when are we going to have a president with a brain?


This is a valid question. My guess is that many voters could not follow the logic of the above gentlemen, even though they are all quite eloquent.

Other voters would not take the time to actually THINK about what was being said.

Other voters would actually get it, and decide their free ride might be threatened.

Others, would not like their special place being criticised.

That would leave about 11 voters that would be for them.

Too bad! America is the loser in this scenario.

:dance:

FTD
08-15-2008, 20:26
As a 'first black American President' candidate, I had hoped Colin Powell would have competed back in '96 [I think it was '96]. I don't know all his positions on current concerns, but I would have liked to have heard them.